PGR4 delayed? DVD-9 restriction mentioned....

[scaled_at_ten]

MS just updated their PGR4 Fact Sheet. Release date is still 9/11.

http://www.gametactics.com/?view=articl ... 1252&cat=6

[DMC-12_Guy]

MS just updated their PGR4 Fact Sheet. Release date is still 9/11.

http://www.gametactics.com/?view=articl ... 1252&cat=6

I posted that like at 2AM.

[HUI]

MS just updated their PGR4 Fact Sheet. Release date is still 9/11.

I posted that like at 2AM.

I don't see any release date listed anywhere within the "fact sheet."

[Cahill11]

Well if they don't find a way, then the Xbox 360's games will not be able to go much further within the next 2 years, because DVD will restrict the full potential of games developers, which means the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD based games will beat DVD based games.

Because remember space will limit games real soon on DVD, and DVD cannot always have its way, since DVD will not always be the top media platform for game developers.

Besides the fact that its not an option, HD-DVD may well not be around in the near future. And supposedly MS is working on a new compression tech to help out(don't hold me to that I just heard it was happening).

I don't see any release date listed anywhere within the "fact sheet."

The first paragraph was probably written by someone unaware of the alleged delay. Besides if it were a delay its only a few weeks, big deal. I wish PGR4 was releasing in 08'.

[mascot]

Well if they don't find a way, then the Xbox 360's games will not be able to go much further within the next 2 years, because DVD will restrict the full potential of games developers, which means the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD based games will beat DVD based games.

Because remember space will limit games real soon on DVD, and DVD cannot always have its way, since DVD will not always be the top media platform for game developers.

I would hope the industry could move away from an optical storage format altogether. Disc reads and data transfer times are a limiting factor regardless of how much you can cram on the disc.

Standard harddrives and network storage would be most welcome in my books.

Don't Blu-Ray games on PS3 (and by extension, this mythical HD-DVD Xbox 360 game of the future) also take longer to load and stream from the disc, due to the slow read speed of the first-gen drives? Massive high-speed hard drives, and dumping the lot onto there (a la the PC) seems to be the answer, so any game arriving on two DVDs is only a pain in the ass during the initial installation.

Non-nerdoid opinion, so probably wrong.

[Tyger Cheex]

Don't Blu-Ray games on PS3 (and by extension, this mythical HD-DVD Xbox 360 game of the future) also take longer to load and stream from the disc, due to the slow read speed of the first-gen drives? Massive high-speed hard drives, and dumping the lot onto there (a la the PC) seems to be the answer, so any game arriving on two DVDs is only a pain in the ass during the initial installation.

Non-nerdoid opinion, so probably wrong.

I assume that it's like CD vs DVD!

ie: a 1xCD player can transfer less information per sec than a 1xDVD player.

I assume that the data transfer speeds of Blu-Ray and HDDVD are much faster at 1xSpeed than a 1xDVD!

[v70r]

Non-nerdoid opinion, so probably wrong.

I assume that it's like CD vs DVD!

ie: a 1xCD player can transfer less information per sec than a 1xDVD player.

I assume that the data transfer speeds of Blu-Ray and HDDVD are much faster at 1xSpeed than a 1xDVD!

Just my interpretation, but it isnt the debate about total volume for the complete game, not the instananeous data rate. Like CD = 15 songs, DVD = 70, Blue-Ray = 1000 , but you only play one at once. Likewise change song for scene, or level, or such.

[Tyger Cheex]

Just my interpretation, but it isnt the debate about total volume for the complete game, not the instananeous data rate. Like CD = 15 songs, DVD = 70, Blue-Ray = 1000 , but you only play one at once. Likewise change song for scene, or level, or such.

Yeah i guess that's ultimatly what the debate is about... I was just answering mascot's "load time" question with my assumption on how it all works rather than the available storage space.

Yes you can only listen to "one song" at a time but if it takes 30 secs to "load" that song on CD, 10 secs on DVD and 1 sec on HDDVD/Blu-Ray then it becomes an issue doesnt it?

I'm sure I asked someone this before with reference to my last PC whihc had a 32X CD Drive and a 8X DVD drive. I asked if I was better to use the "faster" CD drive to copy data from one machien to the other (or something like that) and that was when it was explained to me that 1XDVD > 1XCD. Whihc ultimatloy meant that a 8XDVD read speed might be equivilant to something crazy fast like 64XCD*

*These figures are just made up to illustrate the point.

What I'm saying is I assume the read speed of blu-ray and HD-DVD is faster than DVD which means you can load more in to the CPU quicker.

As far as I understand it files on Blu-Ray tend not to be compressed because storage space isnt an issue, however on a DVD they compress the hell out of files to optimise the available storage space.

I dunno if reading an uncompressed (larger and therefore slower to access fully) file and using it directly is faster or slower than downloading a compressed (smaller and therefore faster to access fully) file, uncompressing it in the CPU and then using it?

[SuperSaiyan4]

Since HD-DVD is the format the will win, I assume next gen is when we might see the use of HD-DVD's for gaming, although Sony will continue to use Blu-Ray even when it loses the format war as they have done in the past on many occassions.

[mascot]

Since HD-DVD is the format the will win, I assume next gen is when we might see the use of HD-DVD's for gaming, although Sony will continue to use Blu-Ray even when it loses the format war as they have done in the past on many occassions.

I thought Blu-Ray was supposed to be winning the format war?
Ah, who cares.